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[Aeon]

http://www.konami.co...oh/blog/?p=8548

Niiiiiice.

[kyros27]

Wow really?  I think dw is good but overrated =/

[MyBlackwingPlaylist]

“Out of interest, how many Rabbit matchups did you lose this weekend?”
“I haven’t lost one"
“How many did you face?”
“I’ve played… Six?”

^ I loled at this part. Go DWs!

[Abyss]

Wow,I expected it to be DinoRabbit.DW rocks!

[Gunnybear]

(Clutches Dark Smog in anticipation)

Oh wait, did he even run it?

But yeah, DW aren't to be looked down upon, unless you side against them they can screw you over

Hard

[kyros27]

One thing I liked outside of dino rabbit losing was no inzektor or wind-ups.  People complain too much that dino rabbit, inzektor, and wind-up control the format =/

[Dragonheart91]

Wind-ups are what make the format unfun to play with multiple decks being made non-viable just because the wind-up loop happens. Onto the actual topic! This is awesome. What he's done here is build a Dark World deck specifically teched out to control the tempo of the duel and improve his Dino-Rabbit match-up. I would be fascinated to see his list, because it seems to be highly synergetic and well built. I do think he probably let his other match-ups suffer to win so much against Dino-Rabbit, but considering that he ran into 7 of them in the tournament, it was probably more than worth it in this case.

[Sho Shinjo]

Apparently, this is his decklist:

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-> Monsters x13
3 Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World
3 Snoww, Unlight of Dark World
3 Broww, Huntsman of Dark World
2 Tour Guide from the Underworld
1 Beiige, Vanguard of Dark World
1 Malefic Stardust Dragon

-> Spells x17
3 Gates of the Dark World
3 Dark World Dealings
3 Dragged Down into the Grave
1 Monster Reborn
1 Heavy Storm
1 Foolish Burial
1 Allure of Darkness
2 Upstart Goblin
1 Dark Hole
1 Card Destruction

-> Traps x10
3 Reckless Greed
2 Mind Crush
1 Torrential Tribute
1 Starlight Road
1 Solemn Judgment
1 Skill Drain
1 Deck Devastation Virus

-> Side Deck
3 Mystical Space Typhoon
2 Gellenduo
2 Royal Decree
1 Gozen Match
1 Fabled Raven
1 Cyber Dragon
1 Maxx "C"
1 Mirror Force
1 Gorz the Emissary of Darkness
1 Morphing Jar
1 Dark Smog

Source is a judge I know on Facebook, who got this from another judge. I have yet to confirm this is official.

Can I express my concern on how horrible this Side Deck is? :/ And why Gellenduo?

...I guess it's a good way to run over Laggia and Dolkka. Have it survive the swarm, then make Utopia and run over the threat. But I still don't like it over Reaper.

And the hand of the Dino Rabbit player was AWFUL xD Triple Kabalzalus AND a Sabersaurus, and no Rabbits overall? That's gotta be hard.

Still, this will boost the morale of everyone. This means you can chill a bit, as anything can beat anything. Granted, it was a wise decision to run DW: Dino Rabbit's matchup against it is horrible, and Dino Rabbit will clear most of the Wind-Up and Inzektor matchups, so Dark World was a great Dark Horse pick.

[Abyss]

Seems similar to claudio's deck I think.The single skill drain is weird.I tested a couple malefics with my DW as well,they didn't do so good for me. :S Overall,not your usual DW IMO.

[Sho Shinjo]

The "charm" on it is probably the "turbo" part. This Deck draws like crazy, and it can survive without Dealings on Games 2 and 3 when it faces a Mirror Match thanks to Reckless and Upstart.

What is probably the best part of this is that it doesn't really use Maxx "C" (a random copy is meh), so the notion that "you need 3x Maxx "C" to survive" this format which a lot (myself included) had is less valid now.

Of course, "C" and Veiler are awesome, just not against DW xD

[Huck]

If this win made Pojo crashed then... the haters have made a boo-boo accident.

[Narikku]

I kinda just wanna say I saw it coming, but, Honestly, I don't like the guys deck. As Sho said, his side is deplorable. But I think it was less of a specific counter side, and more of, "If I need Decree, I'll side my traps for:" Which explains the 1-of choices.

I like his deck concept, but there are far too many "tech" choices. I feel as if he were to face ONE Inzektor deck, he would have been obliterated, especially with no MST to counter D-Fissure game 1. Gellenduo was interesting, and gives me ideas for other decks, as I prefer it over Reaper in a few situations, especially with that base 1700.

Beiige saved his life like 5 times. I don't understand how he always drew it when he only ran 1. Something that really irks me is the 1x Everything, including Torrential, and Skill Drain.

I just don't understand how his deck does well against other decks. :/

[DarkBlaze557]

I am failing to see why you all think his side deck sucks.

[Narikku]

It's because his side deck seems to have a lot of choices that could have been mained, but weren't. A lot of cards in his side-deck seem to not benefit his match-ups against other decks much, if at all. It seems extremely luck-based.

Why is he siding Gorz? Or Mirror Force? They are considered staples, (Gorz moreso) and verywell could have been mained. Gorz is inhibited by Gates, though, so I don't understand why it is sided. Mirror Force is good, but nearly every teir deck eliminates the back-field or can prevent it during or before the battle phase.

Now to Raven and Morphing Jar. Why not just main them? How do they benefit any of your match-ups or weaknesses?

Then he also has "tech" side cards like CyDra or Rivalry. Why only run 1? Why not increase your chances by making multiples for decks you have a harder time against?

The only question I have is of statistics. How many Rabbit builds, Inzektor builds, etc, were run at this event?

[Sho Shinjo]

My problem with his side is having too many singles, which is kinda awful for consistency. I can see why he picked most of his stuff, but I can't really see why he picked just 1 card of each thing xD

[kyros27]

Maybe he couldn't make up his mind so he just put everything.  I wonder how many of the rabbit players he faced drew that crappy too.

[DarkBlaze557]

He's actually been defending his choices fairly well. Game 1 is his turbo match. He goes crazy fast trying to overwhelm the opponent as much as possible. This will usually win Game 1 because nobody is expecting it (not to mention that he's got a very strong matchup against Dino Rabbit, which was the dominating deck of Long Beach). Game 2, he would side into a more control build, often bringing in Royal Decree and Gellenduo against Dino Rabbit (Gellenduo > The Fool, because it can be used offensively and easily become a Utopia if need be). He would really only bring in Gozen Match against Dino Rabbit if he was going first in the next game (often game 3), as you want to have it on the field before they get out Laggia, or else it just becomes another dead card.

Raven, Morphing Jar, Gorz, Mirror Force, and Maxx "C" as one-ofs in the deck help him to play a more control-oriented build against a variety of decks. Since most tournaments this format are plagued with random decks, this was a good strategy. Opponents would often try to button down the hatches against his turbo after losing game 1, and moving into that control build will help against opposing offensive moves.

Triple MST would always come in when trying to play the control build - it helped with consistency when bringing in Decree as well. People would see that he didn't run MST in the main, so they'd often side in traps to help against him, so he would side in the MSTs and Decree to tell Shadow Mirror to fuck off.

Cyber Dragon and Dark Smog are there for very specific matches (such as Wind-Ups).


He basically went with the "side against what people will side against me" strategy. He's side-decking to combat side decks, not main decks. It's a strategy that we haven't seen in a while, but it's a good one.

[Sho Shinjo]

I can see how the choices will help, but I'm not really liking so many singles still.

Anyways, can't really argue what stuff that works xD And I knew the DW match was horrible for Dino Rabbit, but sweeping them so badly? That's a surprise.

I think the main problem was that hand traps other than D.D. Crow do nothing against DW.

[kyros27]

I was kinda surprised he brought out dolkka instead of laggia when he was finally able to drop one of the xyz dinos b/c I never see people drop dolkka first, and the way he was discarding was via spells, which laggia could have stopped

[Sho Shinjo]

Maybe he was aiming to stop the actual Dark World effects, or was waiting for a Snowman Eater set. That Gellenduo surely threw him off-guard, and that Utopia made even less sense for him, I'm sure.