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#21 kakashipwnzor

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 08:02 PM

View PostSho Shinjo, on 02 February 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:

Back when I was a mod, and I'm sure it's still stated in one of the Deck Depot pins, I said that not only making a cool deck was a good idea to get more views, but making a good topic is needed as well. Interesting names, cool post structure, awesome explanations, even the way you're regarded by the community as an user counts for people to get to view your topics, and all that is involved on the DotM competition.
It's still under "Deck Depot Rules", you're still given credit, it's edited in.

@Exarion: Of course not. Just so long as you're not begging for votes, a link to your deck is perfectly fine.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 09:47 PM

I think it's about high time I put my stance on this in here. This has been a good discussion so far, and I'm actually kind of proud. ^_^

First of all, I'd like to mention that Dragonheart isn't attacking anybody here. I see not flaming or personal attacks. He makes very good points regarding the deck and the competition and they shouldn't be ignored. His criticism should be well-accepted and considered thoroughly. Feedback is how we thrive as a community and we should never disregard it without analyzing and understanding. I also agree with Dragonheart that this was probably the best place to have this discussion. This should not have been a private discussion, because we would need the opinions of the community to make changes. Having a public forum regarding a topic is kind of what this place is for. That's why we call them forums.

In regards to the entry test, I think it's difficult to implement. As much as I side with the more competitive decks, the creative decks need ways to gain some spotlight as well, and by creating a form of "entry test" so-to-speak can limit that a lot. The key behind this whole competition is that it's essentially all based on the community's opinion, and I feel it should stay that way. That's how XC is and should be.

Regarding Rule #9: I actually agree with both sides of this argument. You both have strong arguments and I have a hard time siding with either one. I agree with kakashi that the "VOTE FOR MY DECK LOL" shit is annoying and bad for the community as a whole. But I don't think Dragonheart's point is regarding that specifically - it's regarding decks getting noticed at all. I think that allowing users to say "Hey check out my deck. If you like it, nominate it for the DotM! [link]" is fine. It adds extra visibility, but doesn't force people to vote for them, so-to-speak. I think if it's just allowed for the nomination period, it would be fine, but to keep it banned for the voting period would prevent the annoyance.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 09:53 PM

Hm. That definitely works DB.

I'd also suggest giving them a limit of times they can do that per day, since nothing stops people from spamming status updates with that xD

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 10:02 PM

Obviously, that would be moderated as well.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 11:10 PM

That's why our community is run by humans and the rules leave leway for moderator decisions. A lttle intelligent moderation is far more valuable than any amount of rule-sharking.

Here's what I propose:
#1 I agree with DB that allowing someone to promote their deck, at least for nomination, is a good thing. I'm ok with disallowing campainging for votes, because that's not what I was interested in anyway.
#2 I think there should be more discussion of the decks that get nominated before/during the voting. A lot of this would feel less random if we all talked while we went along and said "you know, I think that deck has a really cool gimick" or "wow, this deck is really polished, but it's only like 4 cards different from a meta build". Things like that being brought up in discussion before all votes were cast could be very useful.


To make #2 happen, we can extend the voting period somewhat and/or allow a discussion period before the voting period. New proposed schedule:
-The eligibility period will be the 1st of each month until the 1st of the next month.
-The nomination period will be the first week of each month. (Could be extended to two weeks if needed, because the last week celebration can extend into the next month without conflict.)
-The disucussion period will be the second week of each month.
-The voting period will be the third week of each month.
-The announcement of the winner and celebration of the winning decklist will be the final week of each month + any remaining days.


The discussion period would consist of a moderator run thread with links to the nominated decklists specifically designated for discussion of those decks pros and cons and which should be voted for. *IMO, people SHOULD be allowed to discuss their own decks in this thread during this time within reason. (Within reason implying that they aren't just begging for votes or continuing to harp on something when everyone else has moved on. I'm talking about allowing people to debate their own deck's advantages/disadvantages.) After a week of discussion, this thread's title would change to "Voting" and a poll would be added. In this way, anyone coming to vote automatically gets to see the relevant discussion in the same thread available to them and discussion can continue through the voting time.

The downside of this schedule is that the deck of the month would always be a month behind. E.G. We would award the February Deck of the Month title near the end of March.


*Although this is not required for the rest of the suggestion to be valid.

Edit: Formatting added.

Edited by Dragonheart91, 02 February 2012 - 11:17 PM.


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Posted 03 February 2012 - 02:23 AM

OK, so I guess it's time I got involved.  I was the "winner" afterall.

To Dragonheart91 -- You're completely right.  I shouldn't have won.  Heck, I didn't even vote for myself.  I voted for Sho because his was the better deck.  Did I notice I got nominate?  Sure.  I even noticed that the nomination was denied because the deck wasn't eligible at the time and made corrections to make it eligible, but that is all because I enjoy healthy competition.  This is a game afterall.  The Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG is a game, and games are meant to have a competative side.  I'm not sure if it was a popularity contest.  If so, I'd like to know where that popularity was the last 8 years when it comes time for the annual XC Awards nominations.  We have less than a dozen active females, and I've never even once been nominated.  Eric and Andrew were nominated for best female memeber, but not me.

You're also completely wrong.  I don't refuse help.  I refuse concention.  I could use the same cards everyone uses, but I don't because that's not how I play.  I post decks here that suit my style.  I ask for advice and, when I receive it, I consider it.  Sometimes I take the advice, sometimes not, but that's my perogative.  If I want to build a super competative deck I will, but it'll be boring because that's what everone else does.  The tone you took, whether you intended it or not, was deeply offensive to me because you were insulting not just the contest for allowing me to win, and not just the other members that voted for me, but you were insulting my style.  You insulted that which defines who I am as far as this game goes.  Would you say the same to a quarterback who refuses to make passes that won't clear at least 5 yards?  Would you say the same to NASCAR drivers who only pass on the corner opposite pit row?  Would you say the same to a teacher who prefers homework as a study aid instead of part of the grade?  If you don't agree with my style then that's your opinion.  Don't say that I'm refusing to make a deck the best it can be, because that's not what I do at all.  I try to find a different way it can be at least nearly as good without being as predictable.  I don't like building great decks.  I like building good decks and playing them well enough to beat great decks.

To redeyeszack84 -- This is not a discussion that should be kept private.  Open forums are the best way to get the public opinion.  It's never the guy speaking who has the best ideas.  It's always the people who respond when they disagree.  Brother Maynard used to study architecture and knows a great place to put the new parking garage, but he is content sitting in his pew quietly until someone suggests tearing down the church to put up there.  There is a flaw in the system.  I'm not sure where the flaw rests, but it's not solely on one person or even a group of people.  Honestly, what is there in place to stop someone from creating a dozen alternate accounts and voting for themself other than the impracticality of it?  What is there to prevent a clan from stuffing the ballots in support of one of their members?

I appreciate your attempts to quell the squabble, but unfortunately, this is the internet and someone somewhere will always find a reason to be unhappy about something.

To kakashipwnzor -- I don't envy you in the least.  Thank you for taking time from your personal life (if you have one) to oversee these kinds of competitions.  I hope that in the months to come, I can continue to participate and I plan to remain vigilant in my beliefs that the meta-way isn't the only way.  If I can remind one person of a card they'd forgotten about or didn't know existed and give them ideas on ways to incorporate it into their own decks, I've done my job.  I do not, however concur with the idea that people should be allowed to promote their own decks.  This is going to end up leading to a lot more unnecissary bumping on the forum that really isn't needed.


To everyone else -- Chill out, be happy, play card games.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 02:50 AM

Juli, I'm sorry for offending you. I have a problem with decks that aren't maximized. That's why I avoid your threads most of the time, because I know I will post disparaging remarks and I also know that I can't help you. We disagree disagree on a fundamental level that probably can't be resolved. I'll have that argument if you want, but this doesn't seem like the time or place for it. So again, I apologize for attacking you.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 01:55 PM

...I do kinda like the idea of "Hey, nominate my deck for the DOTM".

My problem though is with people like Joost and Iron (No offense to either of you, I just see this as something you both would do.), you're gonna get status updates every time that the last one goes down asking for their deck to be nominated until nominations stop, or their decks are nominated.

While it doesn't seem like such a bad idea, I'd rather not see the forums spammed with "Nominate my deck!" because again, I'd like to see people earn their nominations through good or interesting deckbuilding (And let's be fair, there really hasn't been a bad deck thrown into the DOTM yet in those fields), not because they're asking to be nominated, regardless of how good the deck is. It just seems like those that put their hard work in are noticed, and I'd rather not see those that beg for nominations to be noticed as readily as the interesting decks or the well built decks.

I will be toying with the idea in March, but for now, let's at least work on getting February's DOTM going smoothly.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 02:40 PM

My polished Uria deck with a really slick line-up, anti-meta tech, colorful and well organized formatting, a cool deck title, and a bunch of puns/references thrown in didn't get nominated. On a less personal note, the NorleasFakeTK deck didn't get nominated even though it does something I've never seen done before and has a real chance to completely take over the game starting on turn 1. I'm sure there are others that got missed to.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 02:46 PM

It might me semi-advertising, but maybe people who actually want their decks to be a possible nomination, can put so in either the deck topic title or tags?

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 04:48 PM

View PostDragonheart91, on 03 February 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

My polished Uria deck with a really slick line-up, anti-meta tech, colorful and well organized formatting, a cool deck title, and a bunch of puns/references thrown in didn't get nominated. On a less personal note, the NorleasFakeTK deck didn't get nominated even though it does something I've never seen done before and has a real chance to completely take over the game starting on turn 1. I'm sure there are others that got missed to.
...And again, you had the opportunity to nominate 3 decks last time around, and keep me from removing that ability since no one used it.

Listen, I'm not saying all good decks are being nominated, I'm saying that the best of the best in terms of creativity and actual good meta decks are being nominated. There are a lot of great decks that don't manage to get nominated, and while it is a shame, honestly, if you all would've used the rules I gave to their fullest, you'd see at least 10/11 decks per DOTM, instead of 5-6, all of which being great decks.

I'll bring the rule back in March, maybe then people will actually read them and use them.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 04:53 PM

I'm confused, I thought only one nomination per person was allowed. I must've misunderstood the rules.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 05:11 PM

View Postkakashipwnzor, on 03 February 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

...I do kinda like the idea of "Hey, nominate my deck for the DOTM".

My problem though is with people like Joost and Iron (No offense to either of you, I just see this as something you both would do.), you're gonna get status updates every time that the last one goes down asking for their deck to be nominated until nominations stop, or their decks are nominated.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 08:38 PM

View PostIron stomach, on 03 February 2012 - 05:11 PM, said:

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Lol, think of it as a compliment. You're notorious!

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 09:07 PM

View PostDragonheart91, on 03 February 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

I'm confused, I thought only one nomination per person was allowed. I must've misunderstood the rules.
Read the January DOTM Nominations thread. It's not allowed this month.

It was originally that you could nominate 3 decks a month.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 05:34 PM

View PostDarkBlaze557, on 02 February 2012 - 09:47 PM, said:

Regarding Rule #9: I actually agree with both sides of this argument. You both have strong arguments and I have a hard time siding with either one. I agree with kakashi that the "VOTE FOR MY DECK LOL" shit is annoying and bad for the community as a whole. But I don't think Dragonheart's point is regarding that specifically - it's regarding decks getting noticed at all. I think that allowing users to say "Hey check out my deck. If you like it, nominate it for the DotM! [link]" is fine. It adds extra visibility, but doesn't force people to vote for them, so-to-speak. I think if it's just allowed for the nomination period, it would be fine, but to keep it banned for the voting period would prevent the annoyance.

View Postkakashipwnzor, on 03 February 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

...I do kinda like the idea of "Hey, nominate my deck for the DOTM".

My problem though is with people like Joost and Iron (No offense to either of you, I just see this as something you both would do.), you're gonna get status updates every time that the last one goes down asking for their deck to be nominated until nominations stop, or their decks are nominated.

I don't like that flood too, and that's why my previous question.
A link on the sig would give more chances for a deck being noticed... And it encourages more posts (hopefully with good content).
Now that it's cleared, I think it's a good way to promote the deck for a nomination instead of status updates.

As I posted on Dragon's Uria deck, I really don't know how I didn't notice his deck...
But already clicked twice in his Photosynthesis Mark II broken link. >.>

And sorry for reviving this again, I couldn't before. <.<

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 10:36 PM

Yeah, one of the forum updates deleted the topic for my Photosynthesis Mark II deck. I kept the link in my sig as a constant reminder to myself of my magnum opus. Sorry for anyone who clicks the broken link.




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