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[Cyberlancer]

Maybe I point your attention to the Tele DAD era? xD

[kyros27]

Gravity, on 10 July 2012 - 04:46 PM, said:

Here's what I think Konami should do for next format:

BANNED:
Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
Monster Reborn
Future Fusion

LIMITED:
Wind-up Carrier Zenmaity
Inzektor Hornet
Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
Super Polymerization
Tour Guide from the Underworld
Tribe-Infecting Virus

SEMI-LIMITED:
Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow
Rescue Rabbit
Lightpulsar Dragon
Call of the Haunted
Mystical Space Typhoon

NO-LONGER RESTRICTED

Glow-up Bulb
Bottomless Trap Hole

Some of these I can see.  I don't really get the CotH semi-limited though when you ban Monster Reborn, and at 3 in the current meta it still rarely sees play.  Putting MST at 2 would do virtually nothing to most decks.  It would have to be at 1 to really have much of an impact, and even then most decks would probably just replace it with Night Beam or Dust Tornado.

I've seen a few people wanting Sangan banned though imo I really don't see why.  He's a good searcher, but I don't think he's overpowered.

[Mattimis]

Gravity, on 10 July 2012 - 04:46 PM, said:

LIMITED:
Inzektor Hornet
...
Tour Guide from the Underworld
Tribe-Infecting Virus

SEMI-LIMITED:
Rescue Rabbit

For me, these don't make a lot of sense. Hornet's not the problem to Inzektor decks; as we all know, it's Dragonfly. Dragonfly's the one that enables the +3/4 (blow up 1, grab Centipede, blow up another one, then attack/Xyz) turns, and having one Hornet doesn't change how Dragonfly plays. Sure, a lone Hornet that can get banished really changes Inzektor play-styles a bit, but I don't think people will want to side deck 3 copies of D.D. Crow just to get rid of that dude. I'd say that Hornet should actually be Dragonfly.

Tour Guide at 1 kills it, making it barely-usable, since in most decks Tour Guide's targets are either other copies of itself or Sangan. At 1, that increases its chances of getting drawn after Sangan goes to the hand, which means it has nothing to search for anymore. Sure, 3 may be a bit overkill, so I think semi-limiting Tour Guide might be better.

Tribe-Infecting Virus? Eh, not a fan of one-card destruction to the likes of Dark Hole against most decks. Inzektors, Wind-Up, Gravekeeper's, Ninja...the only deck that might not get hurt too bad from it might be Dino Rabbit, because it rarely swarms without having a Laggia/Dolkka on the field.

Speaking of Dino Rabbit, you know what would be a great way to pair down its power a bit? Limit Rescue Rabbit. That guy deserves a limiting because it's just so darn easy to get a *very*-powerful Laggia/Dolkka out on the field just by summoning him. I'd take semi-limiting, because anything's better than unlimited Rescue Rabbit, but I think Rescue Rabbit at 1 would be for the best.

[Jesse]

Personally, I would like to see this:

Banned:

Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier
Leviair the Sea Dragon
Dark Hole
Dragged Down into the Grave
Future Fusion
Heavy Storm
Monster Reborn
One Day of Peace
Pot of Avarice

Limited:

Inzektor Dragonfly
Laval Volcano Handmaiden
Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner
Magician of Faith
Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
Tribe-Infecting Virus
Wind-Up Rat
Creature Swap
Emergency Teleport
Hidden Armory
Premature Burial
Rekindling
Call of the Haunted
Chain Disappearance
Dimensional Prison
Horn of the Phantom Beast
Torrential Tribute

Semi-Limited:

Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow
Honest
Inzektor Centipede
Sabersaurus
Thunder King Rai-Oh
Burial from a Different Dimension

Unlimited:

Spore
Swords of Revealing Light
Ojama Trio

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So yeah, that's it. Personally, I think that would make every deck easier to play against, making it a lot more fun.

Dino Rabbit:

Sabersaurus is the only thing hit from Rabbit, because if you draw one, you're completely screwed and have to rely on Kabazauls. With Avarice and Leviair banned, you can't really get your cards back, unless you use Burial from the Different Dimension and Transmigration Prophecy.

Inzektors:

Dragonfly to 1 already weakens the deck a bit, as well as Centipede at two. Again, with Leviair banned it becomes much easier to counter, but it can still destroy a good 2 or 3 cards easily.

Wind-Ups:

Simple. Rat is limited, Avarice is banned. No more loop. You can only do it a maximum of twice, unless you run Transmigration.

Dark Worlds:

Awful card is awful. Dragged Down is banned, and that's it.

Chaos Dragons:

Limit REDMD, ban F-Fusion. They are not as consistent, but still can get out their loop every now and then, which is nowhere near as bad. BLS is banned too, so no abusing him.

Other Cards:

Kalut allows the return of Blackwings, and Honest allows the return of more LIGHT-themed decks. This will make your opponent think twice before attacking, allowing the meta to not be so aggressive. Burn decks should see more of a return, but One Day of Peace is banned cause it's broken and annoying as hell. Magician of Faith makes a return, banning Reborn, Dark Hole and Heavy in the process. Virus comes in to replace Dark Hole, while Torrential gets pushed back to 1. Premature Burial comes back in a multi-MST format to replace Monster Reborn.. Rai-Oh is semi-limited due to the amount of games it wins on its own, when protected. Rekindling goes to 1 to celebrate the release of Lavals, as well as Handmaiden getting limited too to avoid serious chaos. Spore becomes unlimited, because it doesn't do too much damage; Glow-Up Bulb does.

And yeah, that's about it. Let me know what you think.

Edited by Jesse, 23 July 2012 - 11:07 PM.

[kyros27]

lol Premature Burial back in the game.  That'll never happen sorry

[MyBlackwingPlaylist]

kyros27, on 23 July 2012 - 08:42 PM, said:

lol Premature Burial back in the game.  That'll never happen sorry

^This.

Not with Hidden Armory at 3, and Brionac and Dewloren still legal xD

[Jesse]

Well, I did put Armory at 1.. But I totally forgot about Brionac. Ban that too then. (Edited the first post). Dewloren only works with waters, so it's slightly more situational, and fine as it is.

Although I really think it's time Magician of Faith comes back, providing all the powerful staple spells get banned. Premature is like 1000x worse than Monster Reborn.

[Gunnybear]

But that's hitting a bunch of cards to bring back one, and idk if Konami would do that

[Jesse]

To bring back Faith? I think they should. Sure, they probably won't, but if you think about how many duels are won simply because of Heavy Storm, Dark Hole or Monster Reborn, it makes sense to ban them. And since Reborn would be banned, it only makes sense for Prem to come back. This is definitely my ideal list, at least for 6 months.

[kyros27]

Premature Burial should never come back.  There are too many ways to reuse it over and over w/o Magician of Faith's help.

[Amon]

What everyone else is saying. Even if you get rid of both Brionac and Hidden Armory completely (Brionac deserves the ban, but Armory never will), Premmy is still too strong because of all the other Equip support that's out there now. It simply can't be safely unbanned.

I also have to laugh at your stance on Dino Rabbit. Hitting a friggin' VANILLA monster? Aside from the Exodia Series, which I feel Konami has always taken the wrong direction on in terms of banlist management (all the Limbs are worthless without the Head, which alone is the win condition), there has never, ever, not once been a Normal that was ever worth touching. Ever.

Of course, you're also trying to hit Exodia decks with your "ideal" list. But it's the wrong way. You want to deal with Exodia, ban the Head and unlimit all the Limbs. One Day of Peace does not deserve to get hit. Speaking of the other draw cards, I don't believe Dragged Down into the Grave deserves to get hit either. Sure, you do get to force the opponent to discard something of your choosing, but was this card ever relevant before Grapha and Snow were made? Those two should get the axe instead. Card Destruction, on the other hand, the sooner that goes bye-bye, won't be soon enough.

So meh, I guess it's time to make my (bad) call:

New Forbidden:

(I'll be very surprised if Konami actually bans more than 4 cards in the Sept. '12 update, or if they ever ban more than 4 cards in a single update ever again.)

Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
Elemental Hero Stratos
Inzektor Dragonfly
Wind-Up Hunter
Card Destruction
Dark Hole
Future Fusion

New Limited:
Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World
Inzektor Hornet
Lightpulsar Dragon
Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
Rescue Rabbit
Tour Guide from the Underworld
Leviair the Sea Dragon
Dragged Down Into the Grave
Miracle Fusion
One Day of Peace
Super Polymerization

New Semi-Limited:
Card Car "D"

No Longer Limited:
Necro Gardna
Torrential Tribute

[kyros27]

Somebody really hates facing Hero Beat.  Hitting so many cards of their's like that is funny.  I think if Tour Guide is hit she will go down to 2, and Rescue Rabbit will be at 1 or 2.  I doubt One Day of Peace will be touched at all, but I can see it semi-limited.

[Zane Kamanako]

Though I love Grapha to death, I can see that happening. Same with REDMD. Super Poly is becoming a terror thanks to the Omni HEROes (I should know, I created one. ). You know what, I'll take Amon's list & alter it to my liking. Here's what I see (& hope with some choices I dislike but agree are necessary):

New Forbidden:
Wind-Up Hunter
Dark Hole
Future Fusion

New Limited:
Chaos Emperor Dragon-Envoy of the End (I'd LOVE to see this, but let's face the facts: End is WAY too powerful. It's ability bypassed Stardust before Stardust even existed!)
Inzektor Dragonfly
Inzektor Hornet
Lightpulsar Dragon
Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
Rescue Rabbit
Tour Guide from the Underworld
Leviair the Sea Dragon
Miracle Fusion
Super Polymerization

New Semi-Limited:
Card Car "D"
Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World
Snoww, Unlight of Dark World
Dragged Down Into the Grave


No Longer Limited:
Torrential Tribute

Edited by Zane Kamanako, 24 July 2012 - 07:36 PM.

[MyBlackwingPlaylist]

Here's my current banlist ideas:

Forbidden:
Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
Inzektor Dragonfly
Wind-Up Hunter
Future Fusion
Heavy Storm

Limited:
Cyber-Stein
Inzektor Hornet
Lightpulsar Dragon
Snoww, Unlight of Dark World
Dragged Down into the Grave
Super Polymerization

Semi-Limited:
Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow
Cardcar "D"
Rescue Rabbit
Tour Guide from the Underworld
T.G. Striker
Legendary Six Samurai - Shi En
Compulsory Evacuation Device

Unlimited:
Marshmallon
Tragoedia
Primal Seed
Shien's Smoke Signal
Bottomless Trap Hole

Reasons:
BLS speaks for itself. While it wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be this format, the card really makes it too easy to come back with, and it has too many options.
Dragonfly makes the Inzektor loop. Banning him kills their really overpowered combos, but leaves Centipede for a much more modest deck.
Wind-Up Hunter: Yeah, f*** this guy. I like Rat and Zenmaity, but this guy is too annoying.
Future Fusion I think we all want to see go. I mean, when the card lets you easily summon a 5000 ATK monster, and you're not even using it for that purpose, you know the card is OP.
While the Set 5 format was bad, the constant threat of Heavy is damn annoying. We've got a lot of other S/T destruction that can't be abused.

Cyber-Stein probably won't happen, but I think in a game where Fiendish, Chalice, and Veiler exist, this guy is a mere relic of himself.
Hornet at 1 is a small hit to Inzektors, but a hit nonetheless. Combined with Dragonfly being banned, Inzektors lose their loop and have to depend on their other, less abusable, Inzektors.
Lightpulsar is the guy who made Chaos Dragons broken. Even Future Fusion didn't do that in the numerous formats it was out. This guy was a problem from his inception, with that awful FTK. Dude needs a hit.
Snoww is here for similar reasons as Lightpulsar. Yes, Grapha is annoying, but you have to ban Grapha to really hurt DWs. Snoww is their enabler. She grabs EVERYTHING they need to set-up. That kind of search power, with that decent ATK, makes her a real threat.
Dragged Down is very annoying to go against. The opponent shouldn't be able to look at your hand and force you to discard the one remaining DW in their hand. It's even worse than Dustshoot, since it hits Spells and Traps too.
Super Poly is going to be broken once Escuridao hits. Not to mention, that "can't be negated" power is just brutal. HEROes won't die with only 1 of it.

BWs need to come back. That is all.
Cardcar is too powerful for Final Countdown and Exodia decks. Forcing it to 2 won't murder it, but slow down those decks slightly.
Rabbit cannot and will not be banned. With the Evolzars getting reprinted, that's almost guaranteed. But, the deck has to be hurt, and this slows them down, if even just a little.
Tour Guide at 2 makes it still viable, but not a Staple. Decks will need to think about how they use it now, instead of the turn1Zenmaines plays.
Striker shouldn't have been Limited IMO. Semi-ed Tengu was harsh enough on T.G.s, but they lost the usage of their main Tuner. This makes them a lot better, even if it's only as a Tier 2 or 1.5 deck.
Shi En, yes, I said it. Shi En is NOT as big of an issue now, with Veilers running wild and numerous cards from DWs and Inzektors can run him over single-handedly.
CED? WTF? Yes, CED. In an Xyz-heavy format, this card is as good as BTH was in prior formats (maybe better). Yes, no one runs 3 of it. But some decks actually do, and those decks will feel a small sting.

Marshmallon nobody cares about. Even Stall decks don't need him, and everyone with a brain uses Reaper. Poor, poor Marshmallon...
Tragoedia I don't think needed to be Semi'd. He's not an issue like Gorz was. True, he has some really nice abilities, but no one seems to run the guy, even at 2.
Primal Seed was the stupidest Limit ever.
Smoke Signal supplements Shi En. Samurais NEED the consistency. Even with this at 3, I don't think they'll change much. It makes them a little better, but that's all really.
BTH at 2 never mattered. No point keeping it there.

[Zane Kamanako]

MyBlackwingPlaylist, on 24 July 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

Marshmallon nobody cares about. Even Stall decks don't need him, and everyone with a brain uses Reaper. Poor, poor Marshmallon...

Huh? I don't see this one. Marshmallon has more defense & doesn't get destroyed just because it was targeted by, say, an equip spell. It even inflicts 1000 damage if it's flipped by an attacking monster! Yeah, Reaper direct attacks can pin the foe to 1 card in their hand per turn, of which they either play it or lose it. But it's a risk. Marshmallon even has a spell that forces all opposing monsters to attack it if it's face-up on the field. Maybe my thinking is weird, but this is my style & thoughts when I play defensive. Also, maybe this is the D-HERO fan in me, but they need to put Disc Commander back on the limited list!

Edited by Zane Kamanako, 24 July 2012 - 08:29 PM.

[Nanobear]

I feel pretty offended about your comment about marshmallon he has saved my life with his effect and the burn is awesome especially late in game when I just want it over with. Reaper sure his discard one card effect is cool but he can be targeted by anything and be immediately destroyed. Might be preference but I think marshmallon is way better. Also way more annoying especially if it was at three.

[MyBlackwingPlaylist]

Well, no, you're going about Spirit Reaper the wrong way. For one, there are almost no mainstream cards that will target him without either destroying him or negating his self-destruction effect. Reaper's auto-destruct is almost non-existent, because nobody targets their opponent's monsters with their Equip Spells, assuming they even use any.  Most importantly, Reaper can go from defensive to offensive. Simply, nobody wants to be forced to discard. The opponent is faced with wasting a Trap card on Reaper, or taking the attack and discard. Either way, they're bound to lose advantage because of that robed skeleton. Not to mention, Marshmallon Glasses is pointless.

Seriously, I dare you guys to name the mainstream cards that will kill Reaper and not Marshmallon. The list is short, I'll tell you now.

[Nanobear]

Book of moon, rush recklessly or any spell/ trap that increases def or attack for a turn.

[Zane Kamanako]

That I can see it comes down to the same cards with Spirit Reaper coming down to more possible deaths due to the targeting thing.

Nanobear, on 24 July 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

Book of moon, rush recklessly or any spell/ trap that increases def or attack for a turn.

Afraid BoM won't work if it's effect takes hold. As soon as it does, Spirit Reaper is no longer affected by his own ability.

Edited by Zane Kamanako, 24 July 2012 - 09:17 PM.

[MyBlackwingPlaylist]

Nanobear, on 24 July 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

Book of moon, rush recklessly or any spell/ trap that increases def or attack for a turn.

'cept no one uses Rush Recklessly or any cards with the purpose of changing ATK/DEF in competitive games. And, as Zane said, Book misses Reaper. As does Compulsory, Forbidden Chalice, Fiendish Chain, and Effect Veiler. Reaper and Marshmallon are virtually the same card in most situations.